Comments on: Tongues http://www.shapingthespace.net/2009/06/tongues/ Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:02:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Alastair Vance http://www.shapingthespace.net/2009/06/tongues/comment-page-1/#comment-5192 Alastair Vance Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:38:52 +0000 http://www.shapingthespace.net/?p=1144#comment-5192 Sounds like my upbringing right there sister. Sounds like my upbringing right there sister.

]]> By: David http://www.shapingthespace.net/2009/06/tongues/comment-page-1/#comment-2921 David Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:36:16 +0000 http://www.shapingthespace.net/?p=1144#comment-2921 Middle fingers of grammar. Pink elephants. Semi-obscure Father Ted references. This comment has it all darling :) Middle fingers of grammar.
Pink elephants.
Semi-obscure Father Ted references.

This comment has it all darling :)

]]> By: machroi http://www.shapingthespace.net/2009/06/tongues/comment-page-1/#comment-2920 machroi Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:27:35 +0000 http://www.shapingthespace.net/?p=1144#comment-2920 I think there needs to be a distinction made when we talk about tongues. I believe that there are two occasions when tongues are used. The first is when it's the Gift of Tongues in that a message is being conveyed prophetically to the congregation - this is what needs to be interpreted otherwise it's an exercise in futility and confusion. It's also better if someone other than the tongue-speaker interprets (someone trustworthy). I also believe that there is what is considered an outpouring of tongues, as one of the evidences of baptism in the Holy Spirit. Without getting too deeply into doctrinal issues, as even Pentecostal churches disagree on this one, but I did say one, not the. :-) This tongue is also known as a prayer language, when the Bible talks about the Spirit interceding for us in groans and utterances (Romans 8:26,27) because sometimes (no, make that often) out own language is insufficient to express the innermost longings of our being. That's not to say that praying in English (or whatever mother tongue) you have is powerless, not at all, but I find myself at the point where I just don't know what to pray, and it's then that I have to rely on the Holy Spirit to take over. While praying like this or speaking in tongues in this manner may occur in a corporate situation, it's not the same as someone giving a message in tongues for instruction/prophecy - rather is is for edification and as another way in which to worship God, in Spirit and in Truth. Also in a 'spiritual warfare' situation (call it what you will!) it's a language that satan doesn't understand (take that! The middle finger of grammar!) and it gives us the upper hand when we know the mind of God for the particular situation. We are dealing with the mysteries of God, a subject that tends to get brushed under the carpet in today's post-post modern Christianity, where the Spirit can be interceding for a sickness, an issue, ANYTHING that our physical mind may not even know is happening, but that's the power of God for you. I just felt that the distinction needed to be clarified, as I thought there was some misunderstanding. For me, I find that when I pray in English, my intellect tells me when I should stop. When I pray in tongues, it can carry on and isn't dependent on my own mindset or condition that day. Anyway - I've broken out into a drug-induced sweat after all that thinking, go Dreamy Sleepy Nighty Snoozy-Snooze generic Tylenol PM type painkillers :-) Let me know if I put anything in there about pink elephants, ok? I think there needs to be a distinction made when we talk about tongues. I believe that there are two occasions when tongues are used. The first is when it's the Gift of Tongues in that a message is being conveyed prophetically to the congregation – this is what needs to be interpreted otherwise it's an exercise in futility and confusion. It's also better if someone other than the tongue-speaker interprets (someone trustworthy).

I also believe that there is what is considered an outpouring of tongues, as one of the evidences of baptism in the Holy Spirit. Without getting too deeply into doctrinal issues, as even Pentecostal churches disagree on this one, but I did say one, not the. :-) This tongue is also known as a prayer language, when the Bible talks about the Spirit interceding for us in groans and utterances (Romans 8:26,27) because sometimes (no, make that often) out own language is insufficient to express the innermost longings of our being. That's not to say that praying in English (or whatever mother tongue) you have is powerless, not at all, but I find myself at the point where I just don't know what to pray, and it's then that I have to rely on the Holy Spirit to take over. While praying like this or speaking in tongues in this manner may occur in a corporate situation, it's not the same as someone giving a message in tongues for instruction/prophecy – rather is is for edification and as another way in which to worship God, in Spirit and in Truth. Also in a 'spiritual warfare' situation (call it what you will!) it's a language that satan doesn't understand (take that! The middle finger of grammar!) and it gives us the upper hand when we know the mind of God for the particular situation. We are dealing with the mysteries of God, a subject that tends to get brushed under the carpet in today's post-post modern Christianity, where the Spirit can be interceding for a sickness, an issue, ANYTHING that our physical mind may not even know is happening, but that's the power of God for you.

I just felt that the distinction needed to be clarified, as I thought there was some misunderstanding. For me, I find that when I pray in English, my intellect tells me when I should stop. When I pray in tongues, it can carry on and isn't dependent on my own mindset or condition that day.

Anyway – I've broken out into a drug-induced sweat after all that thinking, go Dreamy Sleepy Nighty Snoozy-Snooze generic Tylenol PM type painkillers :-) Let me know if I put anything in there about pink elephants, ok?

]]> By: Crystal Renaud http://www.shapingthespace.net/2009/06/tongues/comment-page-1/#comment-2917 Crystal Renaud Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:14:40 +0000 http://www.shapingthespace.net/?p=1144#comment-2917 "It's always too early to get riled up about it IMO." Indeed. :) "It's always too early to get riled up about it IMO."

Indeed. :)

]]> By: David http://www.shapingthespace.net/2009/06/tongues/comment-page-1/#comment-2916 David Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:00:13 +0000 http://www.shapingthespace.net/?p=1144#comment-2916 I'll just note here that I believe there are different manifestations of tongues and not all need interpreting. But all require wisdom in how they should be used. I agree with your tweet though, it's too early to get riled up about it :) It's always too early to get riled up about it IMO. I'll just note here that I believe there are different manifestations of tongues and not all need interpreting. But all require wisdom in how they should be used.

I agree with your tweet though, it's too early to get riled up about it :) It's always too early to get riled up about it IMO.

]]> By: Crystal Renaud http://www.shapingthespace.net/2009/06/tongues/comment-page-1/#comment-2911 Crystal Renaud Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:35:36 +0000 http://www.shapingthespace.net/?p=1144#comment-2911 and just like with any of the spiritual gifts, i don't think we all possess each one. i know i have attended a service a time or two (at different churches) where almost every person in the congregation and on stage were speaking in tongues during worship or during the message. and it was actually frowned upon if someone couldn't (ie. someone like myself who doesn't possess this gift). and there was no one interpreting. we are all equipped differently and to think or assume that every person should be able to speak in tongues (IMO) actually goes against what the bible says about tongue-speak and spiritual giftings as a whole. and just like with any of the spiritual gifts, i don't think we all possess each one. i know i have attended a service a time or two (at different churches) where almost every person in the congregation and on stage were speaking in tongues during worship or during the message. and it was actually frowned upon if someone couldn't (ie. someone like myself who doesn't possess this gift). and there was no one interpreting. we are all equipped differently and to think or assume that every person should be able to speak in tongues (IMO) actually goes against what the bible says about tongue-speak and spiritual giftings as a whole.

]]> By: Crystal Renaud http://www.shapingthespace.net/2009/06/tongues/comment-page-1/#comment-2910 Crystal Renaud Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:29:28 +0000 http://www.shapingthespace.net/?p=1144#comment-2910 no, (unknown) tongues is not a part of our worship services. though, i do not believe the language of unknown tongues is dead as most baptists do. i think there is a time and a proper place for tongues (ie. when there is an interpreter present, etc.). my mom, for example, has the gift of tongues, but she pretty much only uses it as her prayer language when she is alone. she has never once spoken tongues in front of me, because i do not possess the gift of interpretation. i don't believe it is a practice that should be done wildly and openly, without order. no, (unknown) tongues is not a part of our worship services. though, i do not believe the language of unknown tongues is dead as most baptists do. i think there is a time and a proper place for tongues (ie. when there is an interpreter present, etc.). my mom, for example, has the gift of tongues, but she pretty much only uses it as her prayer language when she is alone. she has never once spoken tongues in front of me, because i do not possess the gift of interpretation. i don't believe it is a practice that should be done wildly and openly, without order.

]]> By: David http://www.shapingthespace.net/2009/06/tongues/comment-page-1/#comment-2891 David Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:39:39 +0000 http://www.shapingthespace.net/?p=1144#comment-2891 Me too. I actually wasn't very clear with what I was asking? What I meant was...is the "sung-in-English" worship which follows the tongue worship, maybe interpretation of some of the sung tongues (wow this is getting confusing). I certainly agree with both you and Mike that worship isn't music - it's life (or should be...another old post of mine, either on here or on Worship The Rock), music can just help facilitate a worshipful lifestyle more easily. Me too.

I actually wasn't very clear with what I was asking? What I meant was…is the "sung-in-English" worship which follows the tongue worship, maybe interpretation of some of the sung tongues (wow this is getting confusing).

I certainly agree with both you and Mike that worship isn't music – it's life (or should be…another old post of mine, either on here or on Worship The Rock), music can just help facilitate a worshipful lifestyle more easily.

]]> By: David http://www.shapingthespace.net/2009/06/tongues/comment-page-1/#comment-2888 David Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:56:33 +0000 http://www.shapingthespace.net/?p=1144#comment-2888 Coolness - that's what I thought you meant Annie, but I wasn't 100% certain. And since I touched on it with Debs comment below, I thought I'd leave it til we get to it in your study, or not. The Holy Spirit will surely guide, He's good for that. Coolness – that's what I thought you meant Annie, but I wasn't 100% certain. And since I touched on it with Debs comment below, I thought I'd leave it til we get to it in your study, or not. The Holy Spirit will surely guide, He's good for that.

]]> By: annie http://www.shapingthespace.net/2009/06/tongues/comment-page-1/#comment-2868 annie Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:55:26 +0000 http://www.shapingthespace.net/?p=1144#comment-2868 I agree with Mike here! I agree with Mike here!

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